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Post by pauldonnelly on Aug 8, 2019 13:31:32 GMT
Guys I would love to see some discussions around this rule of eligibility for playing midweek bowls.
As this season is now fast approaching coming to an end I think now would be a good time to start this one.
No disrespect to anyone or any particular player, but some clubs have basically used this ruling to their own advantage this season.
I must commend them, as they where not breaking any rules but at the same time there needs to be better control.
Interesting to hear your thoughts.
Again no disrespect to anyone or any time but I have chosen a midweek game from last night.
Belmont a v ballywalter
D Corkill 17 v 18 K Massey
A Sloan 22 v 10 C Clarke
D Hamilton 21 v 7 G Robson
N Clements 10 v 25 S Cavan
Belmont a 70 (6) v (1) 60 Ballywalter.
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Post by garymcwilliams on Aug 8, 2019 16:28:19 GMT
Might be easier to decide if there was some indication what amending the rules would mean
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Post by Jamie Wright on Aug 8, 2019 20:38:14 GMT
I honestly didn't think star players could play?
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Post by damienbintley on Aug 8, 2019 22:58:02 GMT
As I've said before and I'll say again... Why are people obsessed with preventing people from playing?
If the same effort was put into getting people playing we'd have 70 odd teams in the league
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Post by garyrobson on Aug 9, 2019 10:59:36 GMT
As a player involved in the game highlighted by Paul I can only say that I had a very friendly and enjoyable game against Davy Hamilton and for myself it is the enjoyment of midweek bowls win or lose. When I stop enjoying it I will pack it in. I can see both sides of the argument but would adhere to the fact that Rules are Rules otherwise whats the point of having them ?. We as a club pulled out of the midweek cup as we could have fielded a team in the opening rounds but knew that the senior cups would rule players out therefore in the spirit of sportsmanship pulled out as we didn't wish to potentially knock teams out in the knowledge we would have to forfeit at a later stage.
I would assume that very few clubs are in the position to field a dedicated midweek only team due to the numbers of bowlers and therefore to maintain the numbers of midweek teams the rules were amended. Maybe the rules need looked at again and not only for midweek. IBA cup rules state that a teams second team will not be allowed into the Intermediate cup but that has been allowed due to some clubs having C teams. Maybe the rules just need updated on websites quicker as they are the only portal for clubs to access the rules to keep up with the changes.
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Post by briantrimble on Aug 9, 2019 12:09:15 GMT
Let anyone play in the midweek league, current internationals past internationals, open it up to one and all. That'll wipe out an immense amount of rules concerning who is eligible . Want to play your top players in the midweek, go ahead feel free , what's the problem with that. Perhaps the midweek league could look at two rinks teams thus enticing even more clubs to take part . It could develope more divisions as a result of doing this . Two ways to look at the midweek league . It's a development league to help progress players through to Saturday teams , or , we're not going to win anything else so let's win the midweek league or cup by fielding the best players . Cups equal success . Many adopt the former approach but it appears increasingly the later is taking priority . Either way , it doesn't matter , just get folk out on the greens.
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Post by garyrobson on Aug 9, 2019 14:08:31 GMT
Or what about if your Senior team is in the 1st Div no more than 4 players, Senior team in Div 2 or below max of 8 in the midweek team ?
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Post by Mark Tait on Aug 12, 2019 11:58:45 GMT
To everyone who has commented on this issue can I remind everyone that the GP committee put forward proposals a number of years ago and sought feedback from the clubs that compete in the midweek divisions. Namely that it should perhaps be formed on the same basis as the veterans league - 8 players per team and enter as many teams as you feel you can muster. The league secretary would confirm that there are very few clubs who could currently put out 16 genuine midweek players and that the majority of clubs are using players from their Saturday teams to fulfil fixtures so I have some sympathy with the argument to let anyone play anywhere in the midweek leagues as long as they are not a starred player. Of course I have the same sympathy with those who say it is unfair. Those suggestions were rebuffed primarily because we got very little feedback - should we now resurrect them? At times we seem to be keen to create more and more rules to restrict players (sometimes rightly so) rather than help it. If those clubs in the midweek leagues are keen to compete and have a viable league and league cup programme then they may need to be more open and flexible to allowing all non starred players the ability to compete. Create the midweek as a somewhat free for all and it would do away with endless rules. Some may not agree with me and this is only my personal opinion I am not speaking on behalf of the GP committee. Personally I would vote for a major overhaul but that is just me as I say I am not speaking on behalf of the GP committee. Nor am I personally seeking to introduce a rule change, but if someone would like to suggest something then by all means it opens things up for discussion.
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Post by damienbintley on Aug 12, 2019 20:57:40 GMT
For me the Midweek was always a separate competition for those who couldn't play Saturday bowls, regardless of quality, plus those who hated home so much that they wanted to play everyday and night. (Wish I had the time!!)
Regarding quality of ppl ayers, I think there is a fair bit of disrespect here and snobbery regarding Midweek bowls... I mean there are and have been some excellent players who would get on a lot of senior teams and who for work/family commitments can't play in the 'Saturday' teams.
Should they be told they can't play because they're too good? Don't think so.
So, I think there is more complaining all the time that X isn't fair and Y isn't fair where if more energy was put in to coming up with or get behind something constructive we'd be able to progress things and attract more people to the game.
One thing I do know... No-one has missed out on a game of bowls at our club this year because X player(s) have played on any teams, it has been to ensure during as many games as possible we put out 16.
If nothing else it's good that there is some discussion here... Hopefully it can be part of wider chat about the greater issues and opportunities for the game
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